On 3/31/2016 10:53 PM, Ginda Fisher wrote:
> On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
>> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>>
>> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
>> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>>
>> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Jono
> I also used zip-lock baggies to protect apples for a couple of years. I cut off a corner of each bag, so they wouldn't fill with water. This did a good job of keeping out insects. More importantly, it did a surprisingly good job of keep out cedar apple rust. I have more problems with rust than with insects, due to my location and there not being many domestic apples around.
>
> But, the local critters learned that bags meant yummy food, and they selectively ate all the bagged fruit (but didn't notice all the unbagged fruit.) So I gave up.
>
> Mostly it was squirrels, which just chewed through the bags to get at the apples. But the funniest was when I found a an apple that had been 1/3 eaten, and then carefully re-sealed into the bag. I assume that was a raccoon. (The teeth marks were the right size for a raccoon, as well as the odd behavior.)
>
> Ginda Fisher
> eastern MA, zone 6
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Ginda,
I found just cutting slits in the bottom of the zip-locks allowed
for drainage and perhaps provided less of an entry point
for the insects. The problem with zip-locks is at the fruit stem
where bugs like aphids would enter. I didn't want to put
in the effort, but some people add a twist tie to complete that seal
at the fruit stem.
Your critters seem more aggressive than mine. Mine mainly went for
the fruit on the ground. The bags did slow them down
a bit. My solution for the critters was to trap and remove them. A
big job, at first, but then the population seemed to
subside with subsequent seasons.
Some of my semi-dwarfs produced a huge amount of fruit (over 200
fruits after thinning), so putting on these bags became
a chore. My solution is to go for smaller trees like on M27 as I
don't need huge crops. I also find that sticky traps are very
effective, even without lures. I will use the bags this year, but
only on my prized fruits. I may also do an occasional spray
if time and opportunity present itself.
Sherwin
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Re: [nafex] Bagging Fruit
Here's a good Youtube on bagging.
Dan
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I have used zip-lock sandwich bags for years very successful on apples. Most other fruits I tried did not work well. I do cut the bottom corners of about 10 bags at a time and can bag hundreds of them in an hour or 2. It stops about 80% of bug damage. We do the bagging just after thinning about Memorial day in Zone 6. the apples are about the size of your finger or thumb. If too early the stem will be damaged and the apple and bag will fall soon. If too late the apple bugs will beat you too it!
Most years we bag about 2000 - 3000 apples and the first weeks loose about 100 bags from the weather or the apple was just going to thin anyway, so falls with the bag. Then through the season we have many others fall early with bug holes, but still good for a trimmed early snack. Those that remain until harvest are 90% bug free and for the time and cost of the bags it is less expensive and maybe equal or probably less time to trying to spray every week and not being successful in keeping the codling moths out! and who wants to spray every week and still have 50% damaged apples when bagging will get you almost 90% even with heavy codling moth pressure!
Jim Cooper
Automotive Technology
Lewiston High School
jcooper@lewistonschools.net
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Sources:
https://www.packcoinc.com/cloth-cotton-drawsting-parts-bags.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.packcoinc.com_cloth-2Dcotton-2Ddrawsting-2Dparts-2Dbags.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=tcI8_bEOtReM9H3BL7JatDidZuECFw9UdDNz02BZfUI&e=>
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fruit-protection-bag-mango.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alibaba.com_showroom_fruit-2Dprotection-2Dbag-2Dmango.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=mRIBBfrF1TZvWemIU3icbpZ3HCxctxq_qJMMrJF8giw&e=>
Discussions:
http://www.geeksongardens.com/how_7667705_protect-fruit-trees-birds-eating.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geeksongardens.com_how-5F7667705-5Fprotect-2Dfruit-2Dtrees-2Dbirds-2Deating.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=QUUygUOUgm-kxX8etuNkADnoH8R37m14aCTg_a7dmjc&e=>
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1466911/can-you-bag-peaches-like-apples<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__forums.gardenweb.com_discussions_1466911_can-2Dyou-2Dbag-2Dpeaches-2Dlike-2Dapples&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=IGUvL1tSzQC6LAPNy0qw15BRbx-9q9DQC29OSrmZRs4&e=>
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On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com<mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com<http://regenerativedesigngroup.com>
tel. 413-658-7048
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net<mailto:organic87@frontiernet.net>>
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I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.territorialseed.com_product_nylon-2Dmaggot-2Dbarriers&d=CwICAg&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=5NsHaAd_E8-WBXK1-IqvRlZQGfO_Lff-z_uwehM_T6Y&s=DDknLe1KnER1eiqwpo8O6ft4eFT4hEhauINjU-HyHFE&e=
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
Massachusetts
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I have used zip-lock sandwich bags for years very successful on apples. Most other fruits I tried did not work well. I do cut the bottom corners of about 10 bags at a time and can bag hundreds of them in an hour or 2. It stops about 80% of bug damage. We do the bagging just after thinning about Memorial day in Zone 6. the apples are about the size of your finger or thumb. If too early the stem will be damaged and the apple and bag will fall soon. If too late the apple bugs will beat you too it!
Most years we bag about 2000 - 3000 apples and the first weeks loose about 100 bags from the weather or the apple was just going to thin anyway, so falls with the bag. Then through the season we have many others fall early with bug holes, but still good for a trimmed early snack. Those that remain until harvest are 90% bug free and for the time and cost of the bags it is less expensive and maybe equal or probably less time to trying to spray every week and not being successful in keeping the codling moths out! and who wants to spray every week and still have 50% damaged apples when bagging will get you almost 90% even with heavy codling moth pressure!
Jim Cooper
Automotive Technology
Lewiston High School
jcooper@lewistonschools.net
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Sources:
https://www.packcoinc.com/cloth-cotton-drawsting-parts-bags.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.packcoinc.com_cloth-2Dcotton-2Ddrawsting-2Dparts-2Dbags.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=tcI8_bEOtReM9H3BL7JatDidZuECFw9UdDNz02BZfUI&e=>
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fruit-protection-bag-mango.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alibaba.com_showroom_fruit-2Dprotection-2Dbag-2Dmango.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=mRIBBfrF1TZvWemIU3icbpZ3HCxctxq_qJMMrJF8giw&e=>
Discussions:
http://www.geeksongardens.com/how_7667705_protect-fruit-trees-birds-eating.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geeksongardens.com_how-5F7667705-5Fprotect-2Dfruit-2Dtrees-2Dbirds-2Deating.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=QUUygUOUgm-kxX8etuNkADnoH8R37m14aCTg_a7dmjc&e=>
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1466911/can-you-bag-peaches-like-apples<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__forums.gardenweb.com_discussions_1466911_can-2Dyou-2Dbag-2Dpeaches-2Dlike-2Dapples&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=IGUvL1tSzQC6LAPNy0qw15BRbx-9q9DQC29OSrmZRs4&e=>
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On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com<mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com<http://regenerativedesigngroup.com>
tel. 413-658-7048
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net<mailto:organic87@frontiernet.net>>
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I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.territorialseed.com_product_nylon-2Dmaggot-2Dbarriers&d=CwICAg&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=5NsHaAd_E8-WBXK1-IqvRlZQGfO_Lff-z_uwehM_T6Y&s=DDknLe1KnER1eiqwpo8O6ft4eFT4hEhauINjU-HyHFE&e=
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
Massachusetts
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Re: [nafex] fruit bags for organic production
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
I also used zip-lock baggies to protect apples for a couple of years. I cut off a corner of each bag, so they wouldn't fill with water. This did a good job of keeping out insects. More importantly, it did a surprisingly good job of keep out cedar apple rust. I have more problems with rust than with insects, due to my location and there not being many domestic apples around.
But, the local critters learned that bags meant yummy food, and they selectively ate all the bagged fruit (but didn't notice all the unbagged fruit.) So I gave up.
Mostly it was squirrels, which just chewed through the bags to get at the apples. But the funniest was when I found a an apple that had been 1/3 eaten, and then carefully re-sealed into the bag. I assume that was a raccoon. (The teeth marks were the right size for a raccoon, as well as the odd behavior.)
Ginda Fisher
eastern MA, zone 6
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> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
I also used zip-lock baggies to protect apples for a couple of years. I cut off a corner of each bag, so they wouldn't fill with water. This did a good job of keeping out insects. More importantly, it did a surprisingly good job of keep out cedar apple rust. I have more problems with rust than with insects, due to my location and there not being many domestic apples around.
But, the local critters learned that bags meant yummy food, and they selectively ate all the bagged fruit (but didn't notice all the unbagged fruit.) So I gave up.
Mostly it was squirrels, which just chewed through the bags to get at the apples. But the funniest was when I found a an apple that had been 1/3 eaten, and then carefully re-sealed into the bag. I assume that was a raccoon. (The teeth marks were the right size for a raccoon, as well as the odd behavior.)
Ginda Fisher
eastern MA, zone 6
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[nafex] In the bag
I've used nylon footlets w/Kaolin from Home Orchard Society (order on their website) the past five years or more. It takes some time but I don't have to mess with them again until a few weeks before the fruit is fully ripe, when I carefully remove the li'l bags to allow better color to develop. 90% or better success rate except with Liberty, which seems to be a codling magnet and I got about 75% success with that. ( I speak of Liberty in the past tense because I sold it to make room for Hunt Russet.)
Dave Liezen
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Re: [nafex] Bagging Fruit
I have used zip-lock sandwich bags for years very successful on apples. Most other fruits I tried did not work well. I do cut the bottom corners of about 10 bags at a time and can bag hundreds of them in an hour or 2. It stops about 80% of bug damage. We do the bagging just after thinning about Memorial day in Zone 6. the apples are about the size of your finger or thumb. If too early the stem will be damaged and the apple and bag will fall soon. If too late the apple bugs will beat you too it!
Most years we bag about 2000 - 3000 apples and the first weeks loose about 100 bags from the weather or the apple was just going to thin anyway, so falls with the bag. Then through the season we have many others fall early with bug holes, but still good for a trimmed early snack. Those that remain until harvest are 90% bug free and for the time and cost of the bags it is less expensive and maybe equal or probably less time to trying to spray every week and not being successful in keeping the codling moths out! and who wants to spray every week and still have 50% damaged apples when bagging will get you almost 90% even with heavy codling moth pressure!
Jim Cooper
Automotive Technology
Lewiston High School
jcooper@lewistonschools.net
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http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fruit-protection-bag-mango.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alibaba.com_showroom_fruit-2Dprotection-2Dbag-2Dmango.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=mRIBBfrF1TZvWemIU3icbpZ3HCxctxq_qJMMrJF8giw&e=>
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http://www.geeksongardens.com/how_7667705_protect-fruit-trees-birds-eating.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geeksongardens.com_how-5F7667705-5Fprotect-2Dfruit-2Dtrees-2Dbirds-2Deating.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=QUUygUOUgm-kxX8etuNkADnoH8R37m14aCTg_a7dmjc&e=>
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1466911/can-you-bag-peaches-like-apples<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__forums.gardenweb.com_discussions_1466911_can-2Dyou-2Dbag-2Dpeaches-2Dlike-2Dapples&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=IGUvL1tSzQC6LAPNy0qw15BRbx-9q9DQC29OSrmZRs4&e=>
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On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com<mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com<http://regenerativedesigngroup.com>
tel. 413-658-7048
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net<mailto:organic87@frontiernet.net>>
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I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.territorialseed.com_product_nylon-2Dmaggot-2Dbarriers&d=CwICAg&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=5NsHaAd_E8-WBXK1-IqvRlZQGfO_Lff-z_uwehM_T6Y&s=DDknLe1KnER1eiqwpo8O6ft4eFT4hEhauINjU-HyHFE&e=
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
Massachusetts
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Most years we bag about 2000 - 3000 apples and the first weeks loose about 100 bags from the weather or the apple was just going to thin anyway, so falls with the bag. Then through the season we have many others fall early with bug holes, but still good for a trimmed early snack. Those that remain until harvest are 90% bug free and for the time and cost of the bags it is less expensive and maybe equal or probably less time to trying to spray every week and not being successful in keeping the codling moths out! and who wants to spray every week and still have 50% damaged apples when bagging will get you almost 90% even with heavy codling moth pressure!
Jim Cooper
Automotive Technology
Lewiston High School
jcooper@lewistonschools.net
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https://www.packcoinc.com/cloth-cotton-drawsting-parts-bags.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.packcoinc.com_cloth-2Dcotton-2Ddrawsting-2Dparts-2Dbags.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=tcI8_bEOtReM9H3BL7JatDidZuECFw9UdDNz02BZfUI&e=>
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fruit-protection-bag-mango.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alibaba.com_showroom_fruit-2Dprotection-2Dbag-2Dmango.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=mRIBBfrF1TZvWemIU3icbpZ3HCxctxq_qJMMrJF8giw&e=>
Discussions:
http://www.geeksongardens.com/how_7667705_protect-fruit-trees-birds-eating.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geeksongardens.com_how-5F7667705-5Fprotect-2Dfruit-2Dtrees-2Dbirds-2Deating.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=QUUygUOUgm-kxX8etuNkADnoH8R37m14aCTg_a7dmjc&e=>
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1466911/can-you-bag-peaches-like-apples<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__forums.gardenweb.com_discussions_1466911_can-2Dyou-2Dbag-2Dpeaches-2Dlike-2Dapples&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=IGUvL1tSzQC6LAPNy0qw15BRbx-9q9DQC29OSrmZRs4&e=>
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On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com<mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com<http://regenerativedesigngroup.com>
tel. 413-658-7048
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
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I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.territorialseed.com_product_nylon-2Dmaggot-2Dbarriers&d=CwICAg&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=5NsHaAd_E8-WBXK1-IqvRlZQGfO_Lff-z_uwehM_T6Y&s=DDknLe1KnER1eiqwpo8O6ft4eFT4hEhauINjU-HyHFE&e=
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
Massachusetts
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https://www.packcoinc.com/cloth-cotton-drawsting-parts-bags.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.packcoinc.com_cloth-2Dcotton-2Ddrawsting-2Dparts-2Dbags.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=tcI8_bEOtReM9H3BL7JatDidZuECFw9UdDNz02BZfUI&e=>
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fruit-protection-bag-mango.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alibaba.com_showroom_fruit-2Dprotection-2Dbag-2Dmango.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=mRIBBfrF1TZvWemIU3icbpZ3HCxctxq_qJMMrJF8giw&e=>
Discussions:
http://www.geeksongardens.com/how_7667705_protect-fruit-trees-birds-eating.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geeksongardens.com_how-5F7667705-5Fprotect-2Dfruit-2Dtrees-2Dbirds-2Deating.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=QUUygUOUgm-kxX8etuNkADnoH8R37m14aCTg_a7dmjc&e=>
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1466911/can-you-bag-peaches-like-apples<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__forums.gardenweb.com_discussions_1466911_can-2Dyou-2Dbag-2Dpeaches-2Dlike-2Dapples&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=IGUvL1tSzQC6LAPNy0qw15BRbx-9q9DQC29OSrmZRs4&e=>
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com<mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:41:11 -0400
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Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com<http://regenerativedesigngroup.com>
tel. 413-658-7048
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net<mailto:organic87@frontiernet.net>>
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I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.territorialseed.com_product_nylon-2Dmaggot-2Dbarriers&d=CwICAg&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=5NsHaAd_E8-WBXK1-IqvRlZQGfO_Lff-z_uwehM_T6Y&s=DDknLe1KnER1eiqwpo8O6ft4eFT4hEhauINjU-HyHFE&e=
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
Massachusetts
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http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/fruit-protection-bag-mango.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.alibaba.com_showroom_fruit-2Dprotection-2Dbag-2Dmango.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=mRIBBfrF1TZvWemIU3icbpZ3HCxctxq_qJMMrJF8giw&e=>
Discussions:
http://www.geeksongardens.com/how_7667705_protect-fruit-trees-birds-eating.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.geeksongardens.com_how-5F7667705-5Fprotect-2Dfruit-2Dtrees-2Dbirds-2Deating.html&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=QUUygUOUgm-kxX8etuNkADnoH8R37m14aCTg_a7dmjc&e=>
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1466911/can-you-bag-peaches-like-apples<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__forums.gardenweb.com_discussions_1466911_can-2Dyou-2Dbag-2Dpeaches-2Dlike-2Dapples&d=CwMFaQ&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=T4m6fSqb1itEfa8oI6bTIHNEdMKVurgsj3tbzB-QCek&s=IGUvL1tSzQC6LAPNy0qw15BRbx-9q9DQC29OSrmZRs4&e=>
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 31, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Richard Moyer <ramoyer@gmail.com<mailto:ramoyer@gmail.com>> wrote:
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 11:41:11 -0400
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Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com<http://regenerativedesigngroup.com>
tel. 413-658-7048
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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
From: Road's End Farm <organic87@frontiernet.net<mailto:organic87@frontiernet.net>>
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I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.territorialseed.com_product_nylon-2Dmaggot-2Dbarriers&d=CwICAg&c=rTID8zFL-e0diXJhnyrnsnYU8VIcDlW52AybVWLBNqM&r=3q_o75mYRtGDknC9RjeuI-yJN97mF1XxYGNfVGxhomM&m=5NsHaAd_E8-WBXK1-IqvRlZQGfO_Lff-z_uwehM_T6Y&s=DDknLe1KnER1eiqwpo8O6ft4eFT4hEhauINjU-HyHFE&e=
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
Massachusetts
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On 3/31/2016 10:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
>
> *Jono Neiger, Principal*
> Regenerative Design Group
> 1 Chevalier Avenue
> Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
> web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
> tel. 413-658-7048
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Jono,
I have used covers for my fruit for many years now. I have not used
the Japanese bags, but think
there could be a problem of their disintegration with rain and
sunshine. I have had that problem
with some of the nylon mesh bags that did not hold up well with
rain and sun. The most durable
were the plastic sandwich bags. They required slits at the bottom
to allow the rain water to drain
off. They were also not a perfect seal, so some bugs were able to
get inside the bags. The color
of the fruit was not affected by these plastic bags, but I would
think the paper bags would retard
this effect. Certainly, covering large amounts of fruit would be a
tedious job, so I would spread
out this effort over several days. The other advantage of bags is
that it discourages critter attacks
both on the tree and fallen fruit on the ground. They will not stop
a determined critter.
Sherwin Dubren
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> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
>
> *Jono Neiger, Principal*
> Regenerative Design Group
> 1 Chevalier Avenue
> Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
> web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
> tel. 413-658-7048
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Jono,
I have used covers for my fruit for many years now. I have not used
the Japanese bags, but think
there could be a problem of their disintegration with rain and
sunshine. I have had that problem
with some of the nylon mesh bags that did not hold up well with
rain and sun. The most durable
were the plastic sandwich bags. They required slits at the bottom
to allow the rain water to drain
off. They were also not a perfect seal, so some bugs were able to
get inside the bags. The color
of the fruit was not affected by these plastic bags, but I would
think the paper bags would retard
this effect. Certainly, covering large amounts of fruit would be a
tedious job, so I would spread
out this effort over several days. The other advantage of bags is
that it discourages critter attacks
both on the tree and fallen fruit on the ground. They will not stop
a determined critter.
Sherwin Dubren
Morton Grove, IL
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[nafex] Bagging Fruit
Do search the archives. Worked well for us to thwart coddling moth and
apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
>
> *Jono Neiger, Principal*
> Regenerative Design Group
> 1 Chevalier Avenue
> Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
> web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
> tel. 413-658-7048
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> I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
>
> http://www.territorialseed.com/product/nylon-maggot-barriers
>
> Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
> Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
> it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
> just to see what happens.
>
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> > "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
> >
> > Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
> several
> > clients looking for them. Any sources?
> >
> > (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Jono
> > Massachusetts
>
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apple maggot. We used breathable bags made of poly row cover, some have
used plastic bags with holes cut in a corner to drain water...
Richard Moyer
SW VA
Good bloom on cherries and peaches here, hope they come through the
frosts/freezes.
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> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
>
> *Jono Neiger, Principal*
> Regenerative Design Group
> 1 Chevalier Avenue
> Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
> web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
> tel. 413-658-7048
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>
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> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 12:18:51 -0400
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> I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
>
> http://www.territorialseed.com/product/nylon-maggot-barriers
>
> Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either.
> Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But
> it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit,
> just to see what happens.
>
>
>
> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> > "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
> >
> > Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have
> several
> > clients looking for them. Any sources?
> >
> > (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Jono
> > Massachusetts
>
>
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Re: [nafex] fruit bags for organic production
I did order some bags from Territorial but haven't tried them yet.
http://www.territorialseed.com/product/nylon-maggot-barriers
Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either. Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit, just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
> Massachusetts
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Not sure whether I'll have any fruit to try them on this year, either. Most of the old trees have died and replacement trees are too young. But it's possible I'll try them on some apricots, even if it's rootstock fruit, just to see what happens.
-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think
Fresh-market organic produce, small scale
On Mar 31, 2016, at 11:41 AM, Jono Neiger wrote:
> Hi
> Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
> "fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
>
> Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
> clients looking for them. Any sources?
>
> (sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
>
> thanks
>
> Jono
> Massachusetts
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[nafex] fruit bags for organic production
Hi
Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel. 413-658-7048
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Im wondering what people think of bagging individual fruit as in using
"fruit bags" or "Japanese fruit bags"
Ive thought of trying it but havent gotten around to it. And I have several
clients looking for them. Any sources?
(sorry if this is a repeat topic- I didnt search the archives)
thanks
Jono
*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web. regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel. 413-658-7048
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Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
Black mulberries can be grafted onto white mulberries. Probably someone has scions that could be mailed. Mine has already broken dormancy so could not be mailed by me. My Morus nigra has black tipped buds and my Morus alba has white tipped buds .
Perhaps you can buy a tree and keep it small in a large pot.
Idell Weydemeyer Zone 9a El Sobrante, CA
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Thanks Mark. Looking forward to seeing that dichotomous key.
I just recently ordered supposed morus nigra seed from Trade Winds Fruit. Maybe it is true morus nigra or maybe it isn't; time will tell.
Where can one purchase true/verified morus nigra seed?
-Nathan
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:06 PM, mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Greetings All
>
> What a mixed up and confusing genus with nurseries offering mis
> identified plants only adding to the confusion.
> Unless past knowledge about Morus nigra is totally incorrect, M. nigra
> is not hardy in most of the country. Indeed, it does not like humidity
> but it also will not handle temps much below 15 F. Extensive
> conversations with A.J. Bullard are the basis of my knowledge on the
> subject. He is the first along with Michael at Edible Landscaping to
> import M. nigra into this country.
> I am working on a dichotomous key for Morus nigra, alba and rubber.
> Not that this will relieve all id problems but it will be a good
> start. The species have very distinct characteristics that differentiate themselves.
> There are two sources so far that have added to the confusion. First,
> a major seed house is offering M. nigra seeds which in fact are M
> alba. Many nurseries use this seed house and end up selling mis id plants.
> Secondly, A tissue culture lab is selling a dwarf nigra. I do not know
> exactly what it is, I suspect alba , but it is not nigra. It doesn t
> possess any of the diagnostic characteristics of nigra and it has
> survived
> 12 below F in a pot sitting above the soil level. Burnt Ridge is
> offering one that fits this bill. I now have it from three different
> sources and all are the same.
> Then there is the issue of how freely alb and rubra hybridize.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Lee -
> >
> > I'm pretty sure got it from Raintree. It's a very small plant,
> > still
> less
> > than 3 feet tall. It gets a leaf disease that doesn't affect any of
> > my
> M.
> > Alba/rubra, maybe that's why it isn't growing
> >
> > With respect to hardiness, I would bet the problem isn't surviving
> > the
> cold
> > in mid-winter, especially if the plant is fully dormant and protected.
> The
> > problem is that the subtropical mulberries leaf out too early in the
> spring
> > and then get clobbered by late frosts.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, SC <filtertitle@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the issue is that of humidity; not cold-tollerance. Mine
> >> in ground 3-4 years.. occasionally bellow 0 F.
> >> M. nigra -- for certain
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S 6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE
> smartphone--------
> >> Original message --------From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> Date:
> >> 3/28/2016 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: mailing list at ibiblio -
> >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc Fred, I
> >> am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated,
> >> although we don t know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse.
> >> Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries
> >> mislabel
> the
> >> plant?
> >>
> >> Lee Reich, PhD
> >> Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <
> >> http://www.leereich.com/blog> http://leereich.com/
> >> <http://leereich.com/>
> >>
> >> Books by Lee Reich:
> >> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >> The Pruning Book
> >> Weedless Gardening
> >> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >> Landscaping with Fruit
> >> Grow Fruit Naturally
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <
> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm
> >> looking
> >>> for.
> >>>
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a
> >>>> cool greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but
> >>>> got down as
> >> low
> >>>> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month
> >>>> ago, which implies that your option D would work.
> >>>>
> >>>> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a
> >>>> night
> >>> when
> >>>> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived,
> >>>> but my
> >>> figs
> >>>> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are
> iffy.
> >>> In
> >>>> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred
> >>>> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
> >>> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
> >>>>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
> >>>>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
> >>>>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
> >>>>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the
> plant
> >>> will
> >>>>> survive?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in
> >>>>> zone
> >> 5/6
> >>>>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm weighing my options:
> >>>>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with
> >>>>> figs. I'm
> >> not
> >>>>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
> >>>>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I
> think
> >> it
> >>>>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill
> >>>>> the
> >> plants,
> >>>>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
> >>>>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy
> chilling
> >>>>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is
> >>>>> presently 12
> >>> deg C
> >>>>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I
> >>>>> can
> bring
> >>>>> them back outside.
> >>>>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar
> >>>>> door stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it
> >>>>> to a
> point.
> >>> The
> >>>>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think
> >>>>> it
> could
> >>>>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by
> >>>>> making
> them
> >>>>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by
> >>>>> Lee
> >> Reich).
> >>>>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Nathan
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Perhaps you can buy a tree and keep it small in a large pot.
Idell Weydemeyer Zone 9a El Sobrante, CA
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From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:27 AM
To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
Thanks Mark. Looking forward to seeing that dichotomous key.
I just recently ordered supposed morus nigra seed from Trade Winds Fruit. Maybe it is true morus nigra or maybe it isn't; time will tell.
Where can one purchase true/verified morus nigra seed?
-Nathan
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:06 PM, mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Greetings All
>
> What a mixed up and confusing genus with nurseries offering mis
> identified plants only adding to the confusion.
> Unless past knowledge about Morus nigra is totally incorrect, M. nigra
> is not hardy in most of the country. Indeed, it does not like humidity
> but it also will not handle temps much below 15 F. Extensive
> conversations with A.J. Bullard are the basis of my knowledge on the
> subject. He is the first along with Michael at Edible Landscaping to
> import M. nigra into this country.
> I am working on a dichotomous key for Morus nigra, alba and rubber.
> Not that this will relieve all id problems but it will be a good
> start. The species have very distinct characteristics that differentiate themselves.
> There are two sources so far that have added to the confusion. First,
> a major seed house is offering M. nigra seeds which in fact are M
> alba. Many nurseries use this seed house and end up selling mis id plants.
> Secondly, A tissue culture lab is selling a dwarf nigra. I do not know
> exactly what it is, I suspect alba , but it is not nigra. It doesn t
> possess any of the diagnostic characteristics of nigra and it has
> survived
> 12 below F in a pot sitting above the soil level. Burnt Ridge is
> offering one that fits this bill. I now have it from three different
> sources and all are the same.
> Then there is the issue of how freely alb and rubra hybridize.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Lee -
> >
> > I'm pretty sure got it from Raintree. It's a very small plant,
> > still
> less
> > than 3 feet tall. It gets a leaf disease that doesn't affect any of
> > my
> M.
> > Alba/rubra, maybe that's why it isn't growing
> >
> > With respect to hardiness, I would bet the problem isn't surviving
> > the
> cold
> > in mid-winter, especially if the plant is fully dormant and protected.
> The
> > problem is that the subtropical mulberries leaf out too early in the
> spring
> > and then get clobbered by late frosts.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, SC <filtertitle@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the issue is that of humidity; not cold-tollerance. Mine
> >> in ground 3-4 years.. occasionally bellow 0 F.
> >> M. nigra -- for certain
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S 6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE
> smartphone--------
> >> Original message --------From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> Date:
> >> 3/28/2016 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: mailing list at ibiblio -
> >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc Fred, I
> >> am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated,
> >> although we don t know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse.
> >> Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries
> >> mislabel
> the
> >> plant?
> >>
> >> Lee Reich, PhD
> >> Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <
> >> http://www.leereich.com/blog> http://leereich.com/
> >> <http://leereich.com/>
> >>
> >> Books by Lee Reich:
> >> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >> The Pruning Book
> >> Weedless Gardening
> >> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >> Landscaping with Fruit
> >> Grow Fruit Naturally
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <
> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm
> >> looking
> >>> for.
> >>>
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a
> >>>> cool greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but
> >>>> got down as
> >> low
> >>>> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month
> >>>> ago, which implies that your option D would work.
> >>>>
> >>>> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a
> >>>> night
> >>> when
> >>>> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived,
> >>>> but my
> >>> figs
> >>>> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are
> iffy.
> >>> In
> >>>> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred
> >>>> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
> >>> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
> >>>>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
> >>>>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
> >>>>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
> >>>>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the
> plant
> >>> will
> >>>>> survive?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in
> >>>>> zone
> >> 5/6
> >>>>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm weighing my options:
> >>>>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with
> >>>>> figs. I'm
> >> not
> >>>>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
> >>>>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I
> think
> >> it
> >>>>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill
> >>>>> the
> >> plants,
> >>>>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
> >>>>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy
> chilling
> >>>>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is
> >>>>> presently 12
> >>> deg C
> >>>>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I
> >>>>> can
> bring
> >>>>> them back outside.
> >>>>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar
> >>>>> door stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it
> >>>>> to a
> point.
> >>> The
> >>>>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think
> >>>>> it
> could
> >>>>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by
> >>>>> making
> them
> >>>>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by
> >>>>> Lee
> >> Reich).
> >>>>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Nathan
> >>>>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
Thanks Mark. Looking forward to seeing that dichotomous key.
I just recently ordered supposed morus nigra seed from Trade Winds
Fruit. Maybe it is true morus nigra or maybe it isn't; time will tell.
Where can one purchase true/verified morus nigra seed?
-Nathan
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 10:06 PM, mark wessel <growyourown@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Greetings All
>
> What a mixed up and confusing genus with nurseries offering mis identified
> plants only adding to the confusion.
> Unless past knowledge about Morus nigra is totally incorrect, M. nigra is
> not hardy in most of the country. Indeed, it does not like humidity but it
> also will not handle temps much below 15 F. Extensive conversations with
> A.J. Bullard are the basis of my knowledge on the subject. He is the first
> along with Michael at Edible Landscaping to import M. nigra into this
> country.
> I am working on a dichotomous key for Morus nigra, alba and rubber. Not
> that this will relieve all id problems but it will be a good start. The
> species have very distinct characteristics that differentiate themselves.
> There are two sources so far that have added to the confusion. First, a
> major seed house is offering M. nigra seeds which in fact are M alba. Many
> nurseries use this seed house and end up selling mis id plants.
> Secondly, A tissue culture lab is selling a dwarf nigra. I do not know
> exactly what it is, I suspect alba , but it is not nigra. It doesn't
> possess any of the diagnostic characteristics of nigra and it has survived
> 12 below F in a pot sitting above the soil level. Burnt Ridge is offering
> one that fits this bill. I now have it from three different sources and all
> are the same.
> Then there is the issue of how freely alb and rubra hybridize.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Lee -
> >
> > I'm pretty sure got it from Raintree. It's a very small plant, still
> less
> > than 3 feet tall. It gets a leaf disease that doesn't affect any of my
> M.
> > Alba/rubra, maybe that's why it isn't growing
> >
> > With respect to hardiness, I would bet the problem isn't surviving the
> cold
> > in mid-winter, especially if the plant is fully dormant and protected.
> The
> > problem is that the subtropical mulberries leaf out too early in the
> spring
> > and then get clobbered by late frosts.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, SC <filtertitle@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the issue is that of humidity; not cold-tollerance. Mine in
> >> ground 3-4 years.. occasionally bellow 0 F.
> >> M. nigra -- for certain
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE
> smartphone--------
> >> Original message --------From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> Date:
> >> 3/28/2016 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: mailing list at ibiblio -
> >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
> >> Fred, I am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated,
> >> although we don't know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse.
> >> Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries mislabel
> the
> >> plant?
> >>
> >> Lee Reich, PhD
> >> Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog <
> >> http://www.leereich.com/blog>
> >> http://leereich.com/ <http://leereich.com/>
> >>
> >> Books by Lee Reich:
> >> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> >> The Pruning Book
> >> Weedless Gardening
> >> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> >> Landscaping with Fruit
> >> Grow Fruit Naturally
> >>
> >>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <
> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm
> >> looking
> >>> for.
> >>>
> >>> Nathan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a cool
> >>>> greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but got down as
> >> low
> >>>> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month ago,
> >>>> which implies that your option D would work.
> >>>>
> >>>> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a night
> >>> when
> >>>> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived, but my
> >>> figs
> >>>> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are
> iffy.
> >>> In
> >>>> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>> Fred
> >>>> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
> >>> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
> >>>>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
> >>>>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
> >>>>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
> >>>>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the
> plant
> >>> will
> >>>>> survive?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in zone
> >> 5/6
> >>>>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm weighing my options:
> >>>>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with figs. I'm
> >> not
> >>>>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
> >>>>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I
> think
> >> it
> >>>>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill the
> >> plants,
> >>>>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
> >>>>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy
> chilling
> >>>>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is presently 12
> >>> deg C
> >>>>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I can
> bring
> >>>>> them back outside.
> >>>>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar door
> >>>>> stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it to a
> point.
> >>> The
> >>>>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think it
> could
> >>>>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by making
> them
> >>>>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by Lee
> >> Reich).
> >>>>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Nathan
> >>>>> __________________
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Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
Greetings All
What a mixed up and confusing genus with nurseries offering mis identified plants only adding to the confusion.
Unless past knowledge about Morus nigra is totally incorrect, M. nigra is not hardy in most of the country. Indeed, it does not like humidity but it also will not handle temps much below 15 F. Extensive conversations with A.J. Bullard are the basis of my knowledge on the subject. He is the first along with Michael at Edible Landscaping to import M. nigra into this country.
I am working on a dichotomous key for Morus nigra, alba and rubber. Not that this will relieve all id problems but it will be a good start. The species have very distinct characteristics that differentiate themselves.
There are two sources so far that have added to the confusion. First, a major seed house is offering M. nigra seeds which in fact are M alba. Many nurseries use this seed house and end up selling mis id plants.
Secondly, A tissue culture lab is selling a dwarf nigra. I do not know exactly what it is, I suspect alba , but it is not nigra. It doesn't possess any of the diagnostic characteristics of nigra and it has survived 12 below F in a pot sitting above the soil level. Burnt Ridge is offering one that fits this bill. I now have it from three different sources and all are the same.
Then there is the issue of how freely alb and rubra hybridize.
Mark
> On Mar 28, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lee -
>
> I'm pretty sure got it from Raintree. It's a very small plant, still less
> than 3 feet tall. It gets a leaf disease that doesn't affect any of my M.
> Alba/rubra, maybe that's why it isn't growing
>
> With respect to hardiness, I would bet the problem isn't surviving the cold
> in mid-winter, especially if the plant is fully dormant and protected. The
> problem is that the subtropical mulberries leaf out too early in the spring
> and then get clobbered by late frosts.
>
> Fred
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 12:08 PM, SC <filtertitle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the issue is that of humidity; not cold-tollerance. Mine in
>> ground 3-4 years.. occasionally bellow 0 F.
>> M. nigra -- for certain
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S®6 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone--------
>> Original message --------From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com> Date:
>> 3/28/2016 10:49 AM (GMT-05:00) To: mailing list at ibiblio -
>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Morus Nigra Chilling Requirements, Etc
>> Fred, I am very surprised at the amount of cold your M. nigra tolerated,
>> although we don't know just how cold it got in the unheated greenhouse.
>> Where did you get your M. nigra, because sometimes nurseries mislabel the
>> plant?
>>
>> Lee Reich, PhD
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>>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 10:25 AM, Nathan Wilson <nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks very much Fred. This is exactly the sort of information I'm
>> looking
>>> for.
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 25, 2016, Robert Bruns <r.fred.bruns@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have M. nigra "Noir de Spain" in a pot. I overwintered it in a cool
>>>> greenhouse where the temperature was set to 60 degrees but got down as
>> low
>>>> as 35 on extremely cold nights. The plant sprouted about a month ago,
>>>> which implies that your option D would work.
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago, my previous greenhouse had its heater fail on a night
>>> when
>>>> the temperature got down to minus 15. My Morus nigra survived, but my
>>> figs
>>>> didn't. So your options A and B might work, but I think they are iffy.
>>> In
>>>> your option C, I'm sure the plant would leaf out in the basement.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>> central Indiana, zone 6 (formerly zone 5b)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Nathan Wilson <
>>> nathan.b.c.wilson@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the chilling requirements of morus nigra?
>>>>> 1. Minimum chilling hours needed to ensure fruit set the next year.
>>>>> 2. Maximum temperature that 'counts' as chilling hours.
>>>>> 3. What conditions trigger the plants to break dormancy?
>>>>> 4. What are the lowest short-term and long-term temperatures the plant
>>> will
>>>>> survive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Background information: As mentioned in a previous post, I'm in zone
>> 5/6
>>>>> and have morus nigra in 87 litre (23 U.S. gal) pots.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm weighing my options:
>>>>> A. Bury the plants in winter, just like some people do with figs. I'm
>> not
>>>>> sure if morus nigra is hardy enough for this.
>>>>> B. Put the plants in an unheated, detached garage over winter. I think
>> it
>>>>> would get far too cold in January and February and would kill the
>> plants,
>>>>> although I haven't documented temperatures yet.
>>>>> C. Leave the plants outside until around Christmas to satisfy chilling
>>>>> requirements, then put them in a cool basement, which is presently 12
>>> deg C
>>>>> (54 deg F), and hope the plants don't break dormancy before I can bring
>>>>> them back outside.
>>>>> D. Greenhouse: I have a mekeshift greenhouse setup in my cellar door
>>>>> stairway. The temperature fluctuates, but I can control it to a point.
>>> The
>>>>> benefit of having the plants in the greenhouse is that I think it could
>>>>> reduce the number of years it takes the plants to bear, by making them
>>>>> slightly healthier and more vigorous (this was pointed out by Lee
>> Reich).
>>>>> But, perhaps I can't have my cake and eat it too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any input or experiences would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Nathan
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