It seems that the method may be helpful for disinfecting the surface of
smooth skinned fruits. Maybe it could be applied to tomatoes; they have
been implicated in outbreaks of /Salmonella enterica.
/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150728091741.htm
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Thursday, July 30, 2015
[nafex] The California Drought Is Making Some Fruit Taste…Better?!
The California Drought Is Making Some Fruit Taste…Better?! <https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/sweet-fruit-makes-drought-go-down-easier&ct=ga&cd=CAEYBSoTOTEyNjQ1OTU5NDY2NTY0NDQwMDIaZGZlMDEyNzc3YmU4NDVhNjpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AFQjCNHmR4duvMlnAr-kRPzTLvRLgnRv3A>
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The resulting pomegranates were smaller, and more of them cracked. But in terms of the fruit's levels of antioxidants—compounds with health benefits ...
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Monday, July 27, 2015
[nafex] Currant Situation: Tangy Fruit Rediscovered by New Generations
[Twin Falls Times-News]<http://magicvalley.com/>
Currant Situation: Tangy Fruit Rediscovered by New Generations
[http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/magicvalley.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/58/05853e63-d477-5584-9f8d-e3c61ab4f4c6/55b28032bac5d.image.jpg?resize=300%2C219]
July 26, 2015 2:30 am * JANE BURNS Wisconsin State Journal<http://magicvalley.com/search/?l=50&sd=desc&s=start_time&f=html&byline=JANE%20BURNS%0AWisconsin%20State%20Journal>
LA VALLE, Wisc. * The puns are endless, and there is a pretty good supply of food uses, too.
What there isn't, however, is much knowledge about a once-common fruit that is making its way back into dishes and drinks in Wisconsin and throughout the U.S.
Currants disappeared from American plates and palates for a few generations because of a blip of history. They're back now, with growers and gardeners finding places for them on their land and in their recipes.
"They're sort of your summer jewels," said Erin Schneider, who with Rob McClure owns Hilltop Community Farm near La Valle in Sauk County. The community-supported agriculture farm grows currants on its 1-acre orchard that is also home to other uncommon fruits such as quince, elderberry, seaberry and kiwi.
"Sometimes people will say of currants, 'Oh, my grandparents grew them' and it's almost like we're a generation removed from them," Schneider said. "There's some nostalgia, but also younger generations who are finding them as something they can grow that is healthy."
Currants come in three colors - red, white and black, each with a distinctive flavor. They're in the same genus as gooseberries - Ribes, which gives the popular British black currant soft drink Ribena its name. Currants are high in vitamin C and the black currants are high in antioxidants. The red ones are most common, and the white ones are the sweetest and the best-tasting for eating as is. Black currants have an earthier taste than the other two.
"Red currants, generally speaking, are the tartest and the ones people think about for currants," said Dale Secher of Carandale Farm in Oregon. Currants are among the "uncommon fruits" that Carandale Farm has been growing and experimenting with, and Secher and his wife, Cindy, have sold them at farmers' markets in the past.
Suitable Climate
Currants grow well in Wisconsin, their suitability for this area has never been a problem. It was their relationship to another plant, however, that sealed their fate in the U.S. The plant that had been grown in the U.S. since colonial times can serve as host to white pine blister rust, which led to a federal ban on currant plants in 1912 in order to protect the pine trees and the lumber industry. The ban was lifted in 1966, but by then currants had dropped off the culinary radar in the U.S.
Currants do well in northern climates, Schneider said, and they even can handle shade, which can make the 4- to 6-foot bushes part of a home landscape, too. The berries ripen in July.
"I think people are wanting to grow more fruit and currants are a good low-hanging fruit, if you will, both in terms of where they are in the landscape and in grower-friendliness" Schneider said.
Those curious about currants and other fruit have gotten a chance to eat them at Schneider and McClure's farm. In previous summers they held a festival called Currant Events, but this year hosted a picnic instead. If that's not enough word play, the fruit share at their farm is their "Fruit N Farm Currantcy Program."
"The puns are endless with currants, I've got to tell you," Schneider said.
Tart Fruit
Even though currants are now legal to grow, they still might not take over as a popular fruit, Schneider said.
"Maybe they're more widespread in other countries because in America we have such a sweet palate," she said. "They're a tart fruit."
Marc and Mary Ann Bellazzini of Campo di Bella Winery and Family Farm near Mount Horeb hadn't tried or even heard of currants until about three years ago. They met Schneider and McClure through an area group of farmers called Fresh Food Connection and went to the Currant Events festival.
"Currants are really tart, but it was kind of interesting," Mary Ann Bellazzini said. "We thought, 'What can we do with these that complements what we grow?'"
Campo di Bella hosts a monthly farm-to-table dinner, and last week created a menu that featured Hilltop's currants. The menu included roasted heritage breed pastured pork with a balsamic currant reduction, and a cheese and fruit platter with a currant jam.
Not Just Sweets
The owners of Humble. Sweet and Savory Pies tried currants for the first time last year and are exploring new ways to use them. They used some tart ones to top an almond cream pie and are planning to tweak a pie recipe they saw with cranberries, apples and sweet cherries to include currants.
The twist with currants, owner Shelly Cross said, is how the black ones can be used with savory dishes, too.
"Those black currants have such a different taste from the other varieties," she said. "It's almost a meaty flavor in the berries."
The shop's piemakers worked black currants into their mincemeat last year, too. The earthiness of the black currant's flavor makes them a good choice for chutneys or sauces, Schneider said. Cindy Secher of Carandale Farm likes to use black currant juice and berries to make ice cream and sorbet, as well as in baking. She also makes sauces for ice cream or pancakes.
Currants are common in Middle Eastern cooking, with rice or couscous. They're fine to toss into yogurt or cereal and make a good syrup to turn into drinks or spritzers. On the alcoholic side, cassis or crème de cassis is a traditional currant liqueur, and the favorite drink of famed fictional detective Hercule Poirot.
Besides currants' versatility, Cross said she likes them because they freeze well and are easy to work with. They come easily off their strigs, which is how they come to the shop fresh.
Not only do currants fit into a lot of recipes, they fit in with what many people want to do with their food these days, Schneider said.
"People want to eat more local and seasonal and healthy," she said. "I think currants fit all three of them."
"The puns are endless with currants, I've got to tell you." Erin Schneider, co-owner of Hilltop Community Farm
Currant Situation: Tangy Fruit Rediscovered by New Generations
[http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/magicvalley.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/58/05853e63-d477-5584-9f8d-e3c61ab4f4c6/55b28032bac5d.image.jpg?resize=300%2C219]
July 26, 2015 2:30 am * JANE BURNS Wisconsin State Journal<http://magicvalley.com/search/?l=50&sd=desc&s=start_time&f=html&byline=JANE%20BURNS%0AWisconsin%20State%20Journal>
LA VALLE, Wisc. * The puns are endless, and there is a pretty good supply of food uses, too.
What there isn't, however, is much knowledge about a once-common fruit that is making its way back into dishes and drinks in Wisconsin and throughout the U.S.
Currants disappeared from American plates and palates for a few generations because of a blip of history. They're back now, with growers and gardeners finding places for them on their land and in their recipes.
"They're sort of your summer jewels," said Erin Schneider, who with Rob McClure owns Hilltop Community Farm near La Valle in Sauk County. The community-supported agriculture farm grows currants on its 1-acre orchard that is also home to other uncommon fruits such as quince, elderberry, seaberry and kiwi.
"Sometimes people will say of currants, 'Oh, my grandparents grew them' and it's almost like we're a generation removed from them," Schneider said. "There's some nostalgia, but also younger generations who are finding them as something they can grow that is healthy."
Currants come in three colors - red, white and black, each with a distinctive flavor. They're in the same genus as gooseberries - Ribes, which gives the popular British black currant soft drink Ribena its name. Currants are high in vitamin C and the black currants are high in antioxidants. The red ones are most common, and the white ones are the sweetest and the best-tasting for eating as is. Black currants have an earthier taste than the other two.
"Red currants, generally speaking, are the tartest and the ones people think about for currants," said Dale Secher of Carandale Farm in Oregon. Currants are among the "uncommon fruits" that Carandale Farm has been growing and experimenting with, and Secher and his wife, Cindy, have sold them at farmers' markets in the past.
Suitable Climate
Currants grow well in Wisconsin, their suitability for this area has never been a problem. It was their relationship to another plant, however, that sealed their fate in the U.S. The plant that had been grown in the U.S. since colonial times can serve as host to white pine blister rust, which led to a federal ban on currant plants in 1912 in order to protect the pine trees and the lumber industry. The ban was lifted in 1966, but by then currants had dropped off the culinary radar in the U.S.
Currants do well in northern climates, Schneider said, and they even can handle shade, which can make the 4- to 6-foot bushes part of a home landscape, too. The berries ripen in July.
"I think people are wanting to grow more fruit and currants are a good low-hanging fruit, if you will, both in terms of where they are in the landscape and in grower-friendliness" Schneider said.
Those curious about currants and other fruit have gotten a chance to eat them at Schneider and McClure's farm. In previous summers they held a festival called Currant Events, but this year hosted a picnic instead. If that's not enough word play, the fruit share at their farm is their "Fruit N Farm Currantcy Program."
"The puns are endless with currants, I've got to tell you," Schneider said.
Tart Fruit
Even though currants are now legal to grow, they still might not take over as a popular fruit, Schneider said.
"Maybe they're more widespread in other countries because in America we have such a sweet palate," she said. "They're a tart fruit."
Marc and Mary Ann Bellazzini of Campo di Bella Winery and Family Farm near Mount Horeb hadn't tried or even heard of currants until about three years ago. They met Schneider and McClure through an area group of farmers called Fresh Food Connection and went to the Currant Events festival.
"Currants are really tart, but it was kind of interesting," Mary Ann Bellazzini said. "We thought, 'What can we do with these that complements what we grow?'"
Campo di Bella hosts a monthly farm-to-table dinner, and last week created a menu that featured Hilltop's currants. The menu included roasted heritage breed pastured pork with a balsamic currant reduction, and a cheese and fruit platter with a currant jam.
Not Just Sweets
The owners of Humble. Sweet and Savory Pies tried currants for the first time last year and are exploring new ways to use them. They used some tart ones to top an almond cream pie and are planning to tweak a pie recipe they saw with cranberries, apples and sweet cherries to include currants.
The twist with currants, owner Shelly Cross said, is how the black ones can be used with savory dishes, too.
"Those black currants have such a different taste from the other varieties," she said. "It's almost a meaty flavor in the berries."
The shop's piemakers worked black currants into their mincemeat last year, too. The earthiness of the black currant's flavor makes them a good choice for chutneys or sauces, Schneider said. Cindy Secher of Carandale Farm likes to use black currant juice and berries to make ice cream and sorbet, as well as in baking. She also makes sauces for ice cream or pancakes.
Currants are common in Middle Eastern cooking, with rice or couscous. They're fine to toss into yogurt or cereal and make a good syrup to turn into drinks or spritzers. On the alcoholic side, cassis or crème de cassis is a traditional currant liqueur, and the favorite drink of famed fictional detective Hercule Poirot.
Besides currants' versatility, Cross said she likes them because they freeze well and are easy to work with. They come easily off their strigs, which is how they come to the shop fresh.
Not only do currants fit into a lot of recipes, they fit in with what many people want to do with their food these days, Schneider said.
"People want to eat more local and seasonal and healthy," she said. "I think currants fit all three of them."
"The puns are endless with currants, I've got to tell you." Erin Schneider, co-owner of Hilltop Community Farm
Tuesday, July 14, 2015
[nafex] 2015 annual meeting, LaCrosse
Dear Chat Net members,
Would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the NAFEX
annual meeting in LaCrosse Wisconsin. For your information below is the
current list of speakers. Days Inn Motel still has rooms available in
the reserved block. The Friday tour includes 4 visits to small fruit
farms that grow commercially blueberries, brambles, elderberry, honey
berry, Aronia, apples and more. Badgerset Hazelnut Research Farm is
nearby and can be visited on Saturday. Our banquet speaker is Steve
Murray a brilliant young man who has traveled extensively to China and
the Far East exploring their fruits. He gave a short presentation at
last year's annual meeting which was very well accepted by those in
attendance.
Also don't forget the annual NNGA meeting follows the end of this
meeting on Sunday, July 26. NAFEX registration form and more detailed
information can be found at: http://www.nafex.org/meeting.php
We have a special motel room rate of $85 plus taxes and 2 people sharing
a room bring the cost down to around $50 per night per person. If your
envelope is postmarked before Thursday (price of registration increases
$10) your cost to participate in all functions is $130.
Come, enjoy the farm orchard visits and add to your fruit growing
education at the Thursday technical session.
Jerry Lehman
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Would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the NAFEX
annual meeting in LaCrosse Wisconsin. For your information below is the
current list of speakers. Days Inn Motel still has rooms available in
the reserved block. The Friday tour includes 4 visits to small fruit
farms that grow commercially blueberries, brambles, elderberry, honey
berry, Aronia, apples and more. Badgerset Hazelnut Research Farm is
nearby and can be visited on Saturday. Our banquet speaker is Steve
Murray a brilliant young man who has traveled extensively to China and
the Far East exploring their fruits. He gave a short presentation at
last year's annual meeting which was very well accepted by those in
attendance.
Also don't forget the annual NNGA meeting follows the end of this
meeting on Sunday, July 26. NAFEX registration form and more detailed
information can be found at: http://www.nafex.org/meeting.php
We have a special motel room rate of $85 plus taxes and 2 people sharing
a room bring the cost down to around $50 per night per person. If your
envelope is postmarked before Thursday (price of registration increases
$10) your cost to participate in all functions is $130.
Come, enjoy the farm orchard visits and add to your fruit growing
education at the Thursday technical session.
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Sunday, July 12, 2015
[nafex] NAFEX annual meeting reminder
Hello everyone,
Would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the NAFEX
annual meeting in LaCrosse Wisconsin. For your information below is the
current list of speakers. Days In Motel still has rooms available in the
reserved block. The Friday tour includes 4 visits to small fruit farms
that grow commercially blueberries, brambles, elderberry, honey berry,
Aronia, apples and more. Badgerset Hazelnut Research Farm is nearby and
can be visited on Saturday. Also don't forget the annual NNGA meeting
follows the end of this meeting on Sunday, July 26. NAFEX registration
form and more detailed information can be found at:
http://www.nafex.org/meeting.php
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Would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone of the NAFEX
annual meeting in LaCrosse Wisconsin. For your information below is the
current list of speakers. Days In Motel still has rooms available in the
reserved block. The Friday tour includes 4 visits to small fruit farms
that grow commercially blueberries, brambles, elderberry, honey berry,
Aronia, apples and more. Badgerset Hazelnut Research Farm is nearby and
can be visited on Saturday. Also don't forget the annual NNGA meeting
follows the end of this meeting on Sunday, July 26. NAFEX registration
form and more detailed information can be found at:
http://www.nafex.org/meeting.php
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Monday, July 6, 2015
[nafex] [compost_tea] Fruiting tree/plant species paired best with which fungal & other microbe species?
From: jennifergiles@gmail.com [compost_tea] <compost_tea@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:10 PM
Subject: [compost_tea] Fruiting tree/plant species paired best with which
fungal & other microbe species?
To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com
Hi. I'm new here. I've been a gardenweb member for --I dunno--15 years, but
it's getting harder to have conversations there because there is now food
soil web or aerated compost tea forum, and "organic" isn't the same thing.
I'm trying to become better acquainted with specific microbe species, their
functions and the types of plants that prefer them. Most of the five
questions below relate to pairing specific plant species to specific fungal
species.
I'm growing fruit: a tomatoes, fruit trees, 50 or 60 varieties of them and
fruiting vines. The fruit trees are mostly prunus (cherry, apricot, plum,
peach, nectarine, & hybrids) or citrus or apple. I also have a couple
avocados, mangos, guavas, loquat. Also bramble berries, southern highbush
blueberries, kiwi, etc. Also I'm in zone 10 - Los Angeles.
I know from reading "Teaming with Microbes" that since these are hardwood
trees, they prefer fungally dominated tea, and dry chunky "brown" (carbon)
surface mulch. And fruit trees are likely to prefer ectomycorrhizal fungi
to the endomycorrhizal kind. I feel pretty comfortable making fungally
dominated or bacterially dominated AACT from worm castings (my own worms),
fish hydrolysate, kelp meal, alfalafa meal, molasses. If any of this isn't
quite right, please correct me.
1) Are there preferred fungal inoculants out there for fruit trees and
vines?
I bought the E. B. Stone Organics "Tree & Shrub Food" because it has a
bunch of microbes in it. It actually seems more like "microbe food."
(Ingredients below.) However... I really don't know what each one does and
which plant species prefer it.
Ingredients: Blood Meal, Feather Meal, Bone Meal, Chicken Manure,
Sulphate of Potash, Kelp Meal, Bat Guano, Alfalfa Meal, Humic Acid,
Beneficial Bacteria RBC104, Micronized Mycorrhizae
Bacteria: bacillus subtilis, b lichenformis, b. pumilus, paenibacillus
polymyxa, streptomyces lydicus, streptomyces greiseus
Ecto Mycorrhizae: Trichoderma harzianum; Trichoderma viride; Pisolithus
tinctorius; Rizopogon villosuli; Rizopogon luteolus; Rizopogon amylopogon;
Rizopogon fulvigelba
Endo Mycorrhizae: Glomus intraradices; Glomus mosseae; Glomus aggregatum.
2) I bet there is a spreadsheet somewhere that says which fungi pair will
with which plant species. I'd love to see one. (Specifically blueberry,
blackberry hybrids, fruit trees, tomatoes etc.)
3) I have had really good luck with tomato vines in their 2nd year using
AACT. (The only problem is spider mites.) So my question is... is there a
chance that these older "perennial" tomatoes might benefit from fungally
dominated AACT, prefer brown mulch, etc?
4) I came back from vacation to find two things. A neighbor who hangs out
in my yard with their dogs left a bag of miracle grow soil where she was
"filling in" the holes in the raised tree beds where the dogs dug. What do
I do? Can I just dig it out and assume no harm? (That is, if I can locate
it.)
5) Returning from same vacation I found a multi-budded peach tree ailing. The
few leaves it had had on each of the five varieties had withered and dried,
and will soon fall off, I am sure. (I have pics if needed.) I saw some bugs
but no earthworms. It's had several treatments of AACT prior to vacation.
It was not treated with mycorrhizae when I planted it in January in a
raised bed of finished compost. I immediately took off the chunky
commercial bark brown mulch. I aerated some of that microbes & food for
trees (see above) in water and poured it on. I recovered it with a mulch of
dried brown leaves, and a smattering of the old mulch. I caught my cat
about to pee in it this morning. It was hot and abnormally humid here last
week while I was gone, but my neighbor watered it. Ideas? Can I try to
inoculate it with mycorrhizal fungi now? If so...How??
Posted by: jennifergiles@gmail.com
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Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:10 PM
Subject: [compost_tea] Fruiting tree/plant species paired best with which
fungal & other microbe species?
To: compost_tea@yahoogroups.com
Hi. I'm new here. I've been a gardenweb member for --I dunno--15 years, but
it's getting harder to have conversations there because there is now food
soil web or aerated compost tea forum, and "organic" isn't the same thing.
I'm trying to become better acquainted with specific microbe species, their
functions and the types of plants that prefer them. Most of the five
questions below relate to pairing specific plant species to specific fungal
species.
I'm growing fruit: a tomatoes, fruit trees, 50 or 60 varieties of them and
fruiting vines. The fruit trees are mostly prunus (cherry, apricot, plum,
peach, nectarine, & hybrids) or citrus or apple. I also have a couple
avocados, mangos, guavas, loquat. Also bramble berries, southern highbush
blueberries, kiwi, etc. Also I'm in zone 10 - Los Angeles.
I know from reading "Teaming with Microbes" that since these are hardwood
trees, they prefer fungally dominated tea, and dry chunky "brown" (carbon)
surface mulch. And fruit trees are likely to prefer ectomycorrhizal fungi
to the endomycorrhizal kind. I feel pretty comfortable making fungally
dominated or bacterially dominated AACT from worm castings (my own worms),
fish hydrolysate, kelp meal, alfalafa meal, molasses. If any of this isn't
quite right, please correct me.
1) Are there preferred fungal inoculants out there for fruit trees and
vines?
I bought the E. B. Stone Organics "Tree & Shrub Food" because it has a
bunch of microbes in it. It actually seems more like "microbe food."
(Ingredients below.) However... I really don't know what each one does and
which plant species prefer it.
Ingredients: Blood Meal, Feather Meal, Bone Meal, Chicken Manure,
Sulphate of Potash, Kelp Meal, Bat Guano, Alfalfa Meal, Humic Acid,
Beneficial Bacteria RBC104, Micronized Mycorrhizae
Bacteria: bacillus subtilis, b lichenformis, b. pumilus, paenibacillus
polymyxa, streptomyces lydicus, streptomyces greiseus
Ecto Mycorrhizae: Trichoderma harzianum; Trichoderma viride; Pisolithus
tinctorius; Rizopogon villosuli; Rizopogon luteolus; Rizopogon amylopogon;
Rizopogon fulvigelba
Endo Mycorrhizae: Glomus intraradices; Glomus mosseae; Glomus aggregatum.
2) I bet there is a spreadsheet somewhere that says which fungi pair will
with which plant species. I'd love to see one. (Specifically blueberry,
blackberry hybrids, fruit trees, tomatoes etc.)
3) I have had really good luck with tomato vines in their 2nd year using
AACT. (The only problem is spider mites.) So my question is... is there a
chance that these older "perennial" tomatoes might benefit from fungally
dominated AACT, prefer brown mulch, etc?
4) I came back from vacation to find two things. A neighbor who hangs out
in my yard with their dogs left a bag of miracle grow soil where she was
"filling in" the holes in the raised tree beds where the dogs dug. What do
I do? Can I just dig it out and assume no harm? (That is, if I can locate
it.)
5) Returning from same vacation I found a multi-budded peach tree ailing. The
few leaves it had had on each of the five varieties had withered and dried,
and will soon fall off, I am sure. (I have pics if needed.) I saw some bugs
but no earthworms. It's had several treatments of AACT prior to vacation.
It was not treated with mycorrhizae when I planted it in January in a
raised bed of finished compost. I immediately took off the chunky
commercial bark brown mulch. I aerated some of that microbes & food for
trees (see above) in water and poured it on. I recovered it with a mulch of
dried brown leaves, and a smattering of the old mulch. I caught my cat
about to pee in it this morning. It was hot and abnormally humid here last
week while I was gone, but my neighbor watered it. Ideas? Can I try to
inoculate it with mycorrhizal fungi now? If so...How??
Posted by: jennifergiles@gmail.com
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Sunday, July 5, 2015
[nafex] The virtues of an email based discussion or mailing list social media - comments on contributors leaving Reddit for VOAT.co (Switzerland) in droves.
Kudos and feather in cap for ibiblio and their visionary Internet library
development:
"But sometimes the best tool for reading, managing, and replying to
messages is an Email client.Or for updates, a feed reader."
- ibiblio, the host for this nafex mailing list, provides an email feed and
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development:
"But sometimes the best tool for reading, managing, and replying to
messages is an Email client.Or for updates, a feed reader."
- ibiblio, the host for this nafex mailing list, provides an email feed and
web browsing of message archives for our forum.
Background:
Meredith L. Patterson: "On Port 80
<https://medium.com/@maradydd/on-port-80-d8d6d3443d9a>"
More on the Reddit brouteehee
<https://ello.co/dredmorbius/post/GiUD91yAsTisI2VfB5tPlA> from the
seldom-seen (but much missed) @mlp <https://ello.co/mlp>:
"Reddit isn't just Usenet on port 80, it's Usenet with a reputation system
on port 80. If it's important to users to be able to send private messages,
upvote or downvote posts, or accumulate karma, users will gravitate toward
services that provide those capabilities, and perhaps try out but
ultimately leave services that don't."
I'd caution though that Reddit's capabilities here are quite creaky: its
content moderation system, while useful, has many failings (I've discussed
those at length
<https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/28jfk4/content_rating_moderation_and_ranking_systems/>).
Reputation, messaging, moderation tools, an notifications ... while
present, are cumbersome -- other than the most recent content, finding and
managing archives is difficult to the point of impossible. Yes, the Browser
as Universal Interface has merits, especially in a world where, as
Patterson notes, virtually all traffic must be challenged through ports 80
or 443 (unencrypted and encrypted Web traffic).
----------------->>>>>>> "But sometimes the best tool for reading,
managing, and replying to messages is an Email client.Or for updates, a
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[nafex] Off-topic: rabbits
A little-known fact is that rabbits are not rodents. When the rabbit genome was compared to other species, it was found that rabbits are actually more closely related to humans than to rodents. This was published in Nature a few years ago.
I was surprised and intrigued. Explains a lot of rabbit behavior, though
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I was surprised and intrigued. Explains a lot of rabbit behavior, though
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Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
Fluffy,
I do grow sweet cherries, though some are challenging.
Currently, I grow 'Lyons' (the family favorite for taste, but also the shyest bearer), 'Yellow Sweet Spanish' (most susceptible to brown rot, but a truly beautiful tree- worth to grow as an ornamental), 'Van' (the most dependable and productive and quite a nice flavor) and 'NY518'/ 'Nugent' (birds do not ignore them, despite what the catalogs say). I've attempted and failed to grow 'Merton Bigarreau' (insufficient chilling and too susceptible to bacterial canker). I also grow 'Belle Magnifique', a Duke with a too-upright growth habit, but nice tart-sweet cherries.
I've also grown 'Craig's Crimson', but had mixed results.
In Georgia, I had more trouble. Cherry leaf spot and bacterial canker kept me from producing a single sweet cherry. I attempted 'Black Tartarian', 'Starkcrimson', 'Hedelfingen' and 'Emperor Francis'.
Best regards,
Anton
-----Original Message-----
>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
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>Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>
>Anton,
>
>Whew thank you for the response. I was feeling like leper.
>Boy you are in pretty piece of country. I go Charlotte/Moorseville frequently and low the surrounding countryside.
>
>Are you able to grow sweet cherries at all? I am helping a Russian immigrate in Moorseville with her yard and am at a disadvantage since I do not know the conditions there. I surmise that sweet cherries are far too difficult.
>
>the fluffy one
>
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>From: Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:50:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>
>Mr. Fluffy,
>
>'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
>'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
>Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>
>Anton
>North Carolina Piedmont
>Zone 8
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
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>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>
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I do grow sweet cherries, though some are challenging.
Currently, I grow 'Lyons' (the family favorite for taste, but also the shyest bearer), 'Yellow Sweet Spanish' (most susceptible to brown rot, but a truly beautiful tree- worth to grow as an ornamental), 'Van' (the most dependable and productive and quite a nice flavor) and 'NY518'/ 'Nugent' (birds do not ignore them, despite what the catalogs say). I've attempted and failed to grow 'Merton Bigarreau' (insufficient chilling and too susceptible to bacterial canker). I also grow 'Belle Magnifique', a Duke with a too-upright growth habit, but nice tart-sweet cherries.
I've also grown 'Craig's Crimson', but had mixed results.
In Georgia, I had more trouble. Cherry leaf spot and bacterial canker kept me from producing a single sweet cherry. I attempted 'Black Tartarian', 'Starkcrimson', 'Hedelfingen' and 'Emperor Francis'.
Best regards,
Anton
-----Original Message-----
>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>Sent: Jun 29, 2015 8:30 PM
>To: Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>, mailing list at ibiblio -
> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>
>Anton,
>
>Whew thank you for the response. I was feeling like leper.
>Boy you are in pretty piece of country. I go Charlotte/Moorseville frequently and low the surrounding countryside.
>
>Are you able to grow sweet cherries at all? I am helping a Russian immigrate in Moorseville with her yard and am at a disadvantage since I do not know the conditions there. I surmise that sweet cherries are far too difficult.
>
>the fluffy one
>
>--- marillen@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>From: Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:50:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
>
>Mr. Fluffy,
>
>'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
>'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
>Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>
>Anton
>North Carolina Piedmont
>Zone 8
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
>>
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[nafex] The Drink of Patriots: As American as Apple Cider
The Drink of Patriots: As American as Apple Cider
http://warontherocks.com/2015/07/the-drink-of-patriots-as-american-as-apple-cider/
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It will quench your thirst, improve the American economy, and remind you of
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Thursday, July 2, 2015
[nafex] Persimmon seedlings
I have propagated more persimmon seedlings this year than I can use.
All first year seedlings are from seeds collected from my own Yates
fruit, unknown pollinizer. I have multiple selected varieties of /D.
kaki/ and the Yates on my property. No other known 90 chromosome
persimmons within at least a mile radius.
Some plants are ready to go now, others will be ready within about 30 days.
Pick up only Chapel Hill, NC area.
Contact me *off list* if interested.
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All first year seedlings are from seeds collected from my own Yates
fruit, unknown pollinizer. I have multiple selected varieties of /D.
kaki/ and the Yates on my property. No other known 90 chromosome
persimmons within at least a mile radius.
Some plants are ready to go now, others will be ready within about 30 days.
Pick up only Chapel Hill, NC area.
Contact me *off list* if interested.
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Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
Right, these trees are called Early Richmond, I neglected to write the
full name on the tags, so now I keep forgetting that that is the
actual name. All the cherry trees were planted in the exact same
block and to some extent intermixed. The fruits of the Early Richmond
I have are noticeably smaller, not much larger than the Nankings I
grow, actually. The North Star (& Montmorency) that I lost were all 3
year old trees and I personally wonder if that had more to do with
winterkill. I've never heard of chilling requirements affecting
winter hardiness.
~mIEKAL
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
<sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
> 'Richmond' (actually 'Early Richmond') is an old tart cherry variety that ripens a few days before 'Montmorency' but produces slightly smaller fruit. It is not known for being especially cold hardy, and I wonder whether the 'Northstar' trees you lost because their chilling requirement had been fulfilled, while the 'Early Richmond' trees had not. I suppose that the chilling requirements of both could be found somewhere on the Internet. Or, were the 'Early Richmond' trees planted in a less cold-prone location? -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (Zone 4)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:57 AM
> To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>
> The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Mr. Fluffy,
>>
>> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>>
>> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>>
>> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>>
>> Anton
>> North Carolina Piedmont
>> Zone 8
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>>
>>>Gang,
>>>
>>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>>
>>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>>
>>>the fluffy one
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full name on the tags, so now I keep forgetting that that is the
actual name. All the cherry trees were planted in the exact same
block and to some extent intermixed. The fruits of the Early Richmond
I have are noticeably smaller, not much larger than the Nankings I
grow, actually. The North Star (& Montmorency) that I lost were all 3
year old trees and I personally wonder if that had more to do with
winterkill. I've never heard of chilling requirements affecting
winter hardiness.
~mIEKAL
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)
<sam.brungardt@state.mn.us> wrote:
> 'Richmond' (actually 'Early Richmond') is an old tart cherry variety that ripens a few days before 'Montmorency' but produces slightly smaller fruit. It is not known for being especially cold hardy, and I wonder whether the 'Northstar' trees you lost because their chilling requirement had been fulfilled, while the 'Early Richmond' trees had not. I suppose that the chilling requirements of both could be found somewhere on the Internet. Or, were the 'Early Richmond' trees planted in a less cold-prone location? -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (Zone 4)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:57 AM
> To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
> Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>
> The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Mr. Fluffy,
>>
>> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>>
>> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>>
>> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>>
>> Anton
>> North Carolina Piedmont
>> Zone 8
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>>><nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>>
>>>Gang,
>>>
>>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>>
>>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>>
>>>the fluffy one
>>>
>>>
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Re: [nafex] Attn Jerry Lehman
On 7/1/2015 8:38 PM, fuwa fuwa usagi wrote:
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Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
'Richmond' (actually 'Early Richmond') is an old tart cherry variety that ripens a few days before 'Montmorency' but produces slightly smaller fruit. It is not known for being especially cold hardy, and I wonder whether the 'Northstar' trees you lost because their chilling requirement had been fulfilled, while the 'Early Richmond' trees had not. I suppose that the chilling requirements of both could be found somewhere on the Internet. Or, were the 'Early Richmond' trees planted in a less cold-prone location? -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn. (Zone 4)
-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:57 AM
To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
~mIEKAL
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
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>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
>>
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-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 7:57 AM
To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
~mIEKAL
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
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>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
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Re: [nafex] North Star vs. Meteor vs. ? and low chill
Speaking of low chill for cherries---
I am in El Sobrante, California and can see the San Francisco bay from the
corner of the road. This year my unnamed cherry (raised from a seed from
Montana--seedlings growing there at least 50-65 years) bloomed like crazy in
February (unusually warm winter up to 70 many days in Jan and
February--unheard of--and of course I get around 26 inches of rain and had 6
inches this year and only a little more than that last year). Maybe someone
on this list group knows what old cherry varieties were popular that long
ago.
Sounds like Carmine Jewel is a good cherry to try.
The other surprise was my Montmorency which I thought had died- -not a
leaf--- then in May a few leaves came out and yesterday I noticed some
blooms-- and some blooms appearing on my serviceberries --Timm and Success
-- side by side with some with a few fruit (normally these berries produce
so heavy they are dragged low to the ground and have never failed until this
year). Jenibelle flowered at the usual time and fruited with some berries.
Ones called success which I bought about 5 years ago, hoping to duplicate
the Timm and Success from Bear creek-- are sparse producers and taller than
Timm and Success.
A very strange winter in all the coastal regions of northern California.
And most of the US.
Idell Weydemeyer
Zone 10 A (30-35)-- was 9 b and have gotten down to 18 once in a while.
-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:57 AM
To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the
tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost
all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know
almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
~mIEKAL
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit
surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid
Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur
Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was
the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown
'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added
'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an
unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling
winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't
get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was
very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years
with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite,
although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will
finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like
North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>><nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I
must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated
landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily
held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have
any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry?
Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the
integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
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I am in El Sobrante, California and can see the San Francisco bay from the
corner of the road. This year my unnamed cherry (raised from a seed from
Montana--seedlings growing there at least 50-65 years) bloomed like crazy in
February (unusually warm winter up to 70 many days in Jan and
February--unheard of--and of course I get around 26 inches of rain and had 6
inches this year and only a little more than that last year). Maybe someone
on this list group knows what old cherry varieties were popular that long
ago.
Sounds like Carmine Jewel is a good cherry to try.
The other surprise was my Montmorency which I thought had died- -not a
leaf--- then in May a few leaves came out and yesterday I noticed some
blooms-- and some blooms appearing on my serviceberries --Timm and Success
-- side by side with some with a few fruit (normally these berries produce
so heavy they are dragged low to the ground and have never failed until this
year). Jenibelle flowered at the usual time and fruited with some berries.
Ones called success which I bought about 5 years ago, hoping to duplicate
the Timm and Success from Bear creek-- are sparse producers and taller than
Timm and Success.
A very strange winter in all the coastal regions of northern California.
And most of the US.
Idell Weydemeyer
Zone 10 A (30-35)-- was 9 b and have gotten down to 18 once in a while.
-----Original Message-----
From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:57 AM
To: Anton Callaway; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit
Experimenters
Subject: Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of the
tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw WI I lost
all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a variety I know
almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter damage.
~mIEKAL
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit
surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid
Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur
Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was
the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown
'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added
'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an
unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling
winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't
get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was
very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years
with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite,
although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will
finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like
North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters
>><nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I
must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated
landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily
held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have
any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry?
Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the
integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
>>
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Re: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
The irony for me is that North Star is often touted as the hardiest of
the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw
WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a
variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter
damage.
~mIEKAL
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
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the tart cherries and during our 2014 winter of winters here in z4 sw
WI I lost all 15 of my North Stars that were in the ground, which a
variety I know almost nothing about, Richmond, had the least winter
damage.
~mIEKAL
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Anton Callaway <marillen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Mr. Fluffy,
>
> 'Northstar' is also my favorite all-around pie cherry. Perhaps a bit surprising since my 36 years of orcharding have been in the hot & humid Southeastern US. In my Georgia orchard, I had 'Montmorency', Starkspur Montmorency, 'Meteor' and 'North Star'. All were good, but 'North Star' was the most productive and healthy. Since moving to North Carolina, I've grown 'North Star', 'Surefire', 'Balaton', 'Carmine Jewel' and recently added 'Romeo'. The 'Balaton's were terrible. Mediocre quality fruit on an unhealthy tree. 'Surefire' was very productive if we had a good chilling winter and the cherries were very good quality, but most winters we don't get enough chilling to please 'Surefire' and it eventually died.
>
> 'Carmine Jewel' finally produced well this year and the cherry quality was very good. It is a healthy tree, also. I have had problems in past years with CJ and brown rot, if we get a lot of rain during ripening season.
>
> Of all the pie cherries I've grown, 'North Star' remains the favorite, although if Carmine Jewel continues to behave like this year, it will finally be a cherry to equal North Star. The trees also stay small, like North Star.
>
> Anton
> North Carolina Piedmont
> Zone 8
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: fuwa fuwa usagi <fuwafuwausagi@muchomail.com>
>>Sent: Jun 19, 2015 12:56 AM
>>To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>>Subject: [nafex] North Star vs Meteor vs ?
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I have been growing NorthStar (sour cherry) for about 20 years now. I must say I am impressed. It make an attractive addition to the integrated landscape, gives copious amounts of fruit for the tree canopy, is easily held at 6 feet and is generally insect, disease resistant.
>>
>>All that being said I am always up for an improvement. Does anyone have any opinion on Meteor or any other dwarf to semi-dwarf sour cherry? Additionally a comparison to NorthStar would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>I am interested in small trees that can be easily netted for the integrated urban landscape.
>>
>>the fluffy one
>>
>>
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